Two Leftist Idiots for the Bandwidth of One

[Phaedrus]

As I am being a bit verbose here tonight, just thought I'd save sapce and roll two threads into one. I just found a whole bunch of sh1t to share with you guys tonight, and FF seems to be on vacation for a change.

I often say that I hate the left and the right equally. The right at least tends to be good for a laugh, yu can hang out with them, watch a ball game, have a beer. And girls on the left, when straight, are usually incredibly easy. So both sides have their place in society.

But by God, if we have to live in a Bushcroft Neo-Nazi regime the first anti-free-speech law I want to see passed is that leftist political actvists get their jaws wired shut and beaten every morning before breakfast until they come up with something worth hearing to say.

Something other than:

If I get porno spam at work I can sue my employer for sexual harrassment.

or

We must save the shipping industry by completely crippling it in an attempt to protect America from fantasy terrorist attacks which are infinitesmally unlikely to happen.

And stuff like that. PJ O'Rourke once said that the primary difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans believe in God and Democrats believe in Santa Claus. I'd say that most Republicans believe that they are God, but looking at the kind of crapola proposals the left tends to throw up after whatever Rorshach test they use to brainstorm for causes, that the latter assessment is 100% dead-on.


Phaedrus

 

[PatPatriot]

I think this might cover both your points.
Monday, April 7, 2003 11:23 a.m. EDT
Planned Parenthood: Iraqi Women Need Abortion Rights

NewsMax.com religion editor Fr. Michael Reilly comments on the abortion industry's plans for postwar Iraq.

What do Iraqi women need now more than ever? According to Planned Parenthood, if you answered food, water or medicine, you're wrong.

Instead, the pro-abortion advocacy group sees the liberation of Iraq as an opportunity to extend abortion and birth control to yet another civilization.

"If we are fighting for freedom in Iraq, then most surely that freedom should extend to women globally and in the United States," says Planned Parenthood President Gloria Feldt, in a statement posted on the group's Web site. "The most fundamental freedom is the freedom of reproductive self-determination."

But the Bush administration, Feldt complains, is standing in the way. "In mid-February, a leaked State Department memo indicated that the administration intended to extend the global gag rule to cover all health programs, including reproductive health programs for refugees."

Imagine the outrage on the "Arab Street" if the U.S. war of liberation became a genuine liberal culture war, with a victorious America imposing abortion on Muslim women of a conquered land.

How might the Muslim world react, for instance, to the words of abortion crusader Margaret Sanger, who favored the practice of eugenics to limit "inferior" populations?

"We are paying for and even submitting to the dictates of an ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all," Sanger wrote in a screed she titled "Pivot of Civilization." "The wealth of individuals and of states is being diverted from the development and progress of human expression and civilization."

If the Bush administration decided to take Planned Parenthood's advice, observations like Sanger's would surely fuel Arab speculation that the U.S. is more interested in aborting Iraq than rebuilding it.



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[FunkSoulBrother]

Their religion editor is a Friar and he's writing on abortion? Hello! Vested interests anybody?

What are you going to post "comments on the economics of small market teams" by George Steinbrenner next?

 

[FunkSoulBrother]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Imagine the outrage on the "Arab Street" if the U.S. war of liberation became a genuine liberal culture war, with a victorious America imposing abortion on Muslim women of a conquered land.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hello! It's called Pro-Choice for a reason. No one who is for reproductive rights is imposing anything on anybody. Its the Anti-Choice people who would like to impose.

And they aren't conservatives.

Conservatives would want the goverment out of their damn business. They are religious fanatics.

 

[Phaedrus]

FSB, unfortunately generations of banging the "with us or against us" drum have rendered choice-dependent concepts unintelligible on the right.


Phaedrus

 

[Jazz]

Phaedrus: I like your posts. Just curious here: who exactly don't you 'hate'? And do you mean 'hate' or simply 'dislike'? Not trying to be semantic here, either.

I don't hate the leftists nor the rightists, though I certainly do profess to a strong level of dislike for extremists on both sides.

However, I'm not religious and have no problems whatever with abortion being a woman's right to choose. HOWEVER, I think it hilarious that Planned Parenthood, presumably having kept quiet on the atrocities of Saddam's regime (presumably - maybe they organized press releases in the past proclaiming the rights of Iraqi women not to be murdered or have their sons murdered in front of them), now thinks it sufficently justified to use this opportunity to trumpet their 'global' view of abortion, not specifically Iraq so much as simply using it as a pretext for getting their huzzahs out. I am as cynical of the term 'Operation Iraqi Freedom' simply because the undeniable fact is that the PRIMARY and KEY reason we're there is to disarm Saddam (assuming you accepted the government at its word), not free these people. The US didn't give a shit for 12 years about freeing these people, and have no intention of freeing anyone else - we are NOT imperialists, what this is supposed to be was self-defense of our country. I think it's a terrific thing that the Iraqis will be able to live a better life or more importantly have a good chance of deciding what their society will be like free of that ****ing monster and his Baath party, but it's not the reason we're fighting over there.

 

as a guy who leans more toward the conservative side,i have to say i fall into the camp of the "pro choice" side of the debate....not looking to get into that debate,but,just trying to make the point that lumping conservatives,or liberals for that matter,into one homogeneous group that can be labeled,is a mistake....and short sighted....it`s so easy,though,isn`t it...

 

[radiofreecostarica]

pro choice. but let the Iraqis decide what they want for their culture. Planned Parenthood America knows as much about Iraqi culture as the rest of us...

ahem.

phaedrus, those are two very good examples of how the mainstream left (the "don't offend anyone" crowd spawned in the 70s from the "i'm okay, you're okay" bullshit) is ruining their own chances at progress.

 

[Phaedrus]

It's not as if Planned Parenthood is marching down the streets of Baghdad, coathangers in hand, standing ready to abort everything in sight.

While I consider abortion a repugnant thing, both physically and morally, the particular plumbing arrangement I enjoy plus the already-agreed-upon plan of action in the unlikely event that loveof my life becomes pregant makes it a virtual non-issue for me. I could never in good conscience support any law or agenda which involved enforcement that takes place inside a uterus.

Seems a strange, non-issue to me, yet of course it is one of the hottest left vs. right issues in times of peace. I think it was George Carlin who said, "Ever notice how Republicans are against abortion, but for the death penalty? I guess it's all in the timing."

At any rate, worrying about Arabian women rushing out to get abortions in the event that they are made legal is about as silly as worrying about the Rotarians cruising over to Crenshaw Boulevard to buy dime bags if weed was legalised.


Phaedrus

 

Phaedrus, why don't you look up Plato and Socrates and practice that ever popular Athenian culture pastime, a threesome.


wil.

 

[Phaedrus]

Thank you Wilheim; your well-reasoned and on-topic response leaves me edified and with a craving for cock in both my available orifices.

Phaedrus

 

[Phaedrus]

Jazz --

Phaedrus: I like your posts. Just curious here: who exactly don't you 'hate'? And do you mean 'hate' or simply 'dislike'? Not trying to be semantic here, either.

I don't hate the leftists nor the rightists, though I certainly do profess to a strong level of dislike for extremists on both sides.

I suppose in the end "hatred" is too strong a word; genrally it is not the man but the mission that raises my ire. The greatest enemy to liberty is not tyranny, but lack of foresight. And the poorly-planned proposals that get run through both government and NGO policymaker's offices just plainly sicken me, often regardless of what abbreviation (R- or D-) precedes their name on the CSPAN subtitles.

Thanks for the compliment, BTW. Rand is a favourite of mine as well.


Phaedrus

 

phaedrus.....don`t go anywhere....not many independent thinkers around.....

radio...i`m hoping bush isn`t just blowing smoke when he says the iraqi`s will govern iraq...that obviously won`t happen in the short term,but,must happen in the long term...and i`d say that the chances of iraq having some sort of democratic government 10 years from now are slim...